Comments on: The Shortest Path http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html News and information about urban infill development in the Mile High City Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:06:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-3086 Anonymous Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:33:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-3086 The point of the photo is that of all the places and directions people can and do walk on the grass, the MOST popular one is the engraved straight line trail between the bridge and the toilette. Putting signs up will not prevent the trail being cut, because the rule is not "keep off the grass" the rule is "keep off the grass in this here straight line." Not gonna work, no way, no how! The point of the photo is that of all the places and directions people can and do walk on the grass, the MOST popular one is the engraved straight line trail between the bridge and the toilette. Putting signs up will not prevent the trail being cut, because the rule is not "keep off the grass" the rule is "keep off the grass in this here straight line." Not gonna work, no way, no how!

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1385 Anonymous Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:05:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1385 The signs are the problem, not the footpath. They're ugly and pretty much amount to a "Keep Off Grass" scolding. Is this "desire path" the only of its kind on the park? The signs are the problem, not the footpath. They're ugly and pretty much amount to a "Keep Off Grass" scolding. Is this "desire path" the only of its kind on the park?

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1360 Anonymous Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:10:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1360 Anon 4/17 2:24, I'm with you! Getting from 15th & Little Raven to the Platte River Bridge (via the park) is dizzying. I've got a decent start on a more direct route. I think it should be good and beaten down by mid-summer or so for anyone who wants to check it out. Anon 4/17 2:24, I'm with you! Getting from 15th & Little Raven to the Platte River Bridge (via the park) is dizzying. I've got a decent start on a more direct route. I think it should be good and beaten down by mid-summer or so for anyone who wants to check it out.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1359 Anonymous Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:26:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1359 joeindt -- you make a great point about bike velocity on multi-use paths. Glad you raised it because I think it’s an issue on *all* the near downtown ped paths (Cherry Creek, Platter River trail, etc). 15-20 mph bikers are traveling 5-10 times the speed of pedestrians. That is equivalent to allowing, say, a few trucks to drive 150+ mph down Speer Blvd... I’ve personally been hit three times by speeding Lance Armstrong wannabes. I think this is a big detriment to the overall pleasantness and usability of the area multi-use paths by pedestrians. <br /><br />That said, I definitely don’t think winding sidewalks is the solution. Just like streets, I think a little governance is called for. Unfortunately the Parks & Rec department has no big interest.<br /><br />On the 11:00pm curfew: Anybody walk across the 15 Street bridge after a couple or five at My Brothers Bar? Can be scary with 20-ton buses whipping by one foot from you. Anybody have any idea if/whether those sidewalks might be widened more to CPV/LoDo spec? joeindt — you make a great point about bike velocity on multi-use paths. Glad you raised it because I think it’s an issue on *all* the near downtown ped paths (Cherry Creek, Platter River trail, etc). 15-20 mph bikers are traveling 5-10 times the speed of pedestrians. That is equivalent to allowing, say, a few trucks to drive 150+ mph down Speer Blvd… I’ve personally been hit three times by speeding Lance Armstrong wannabes. I think this is a big detriment to the overall pleasantness and usability of the area multi-use paths by pedestrians.

That said, I definitely don’t think winding sidewalks is the solution. Just like streets, I think a little governance is called for. Unfortunately the Parks & Rec department has no big interest.

On the 11:00pm curfew: Anybody walk across the 15 Street bridge after a couple or five at My Brothers Bar? Can be scary with 20-ton buses whipping by one foot from you. Anybody have any idea if/whether those sidewalks might be widened more to CPV/LoDo spec?

]]> By: joeindt http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1350 joeindt Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:43:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1350 Considering that major metro bike paths converge in platte valley and it is bike central for metro denver, it is highly probable that the curves were designed to slow down bike riders so they aren't racing in a straight line right down the middle of the park at 15-20+ mph to reach the ped/bike bridges. Their speed would be lowered to 7-15mph by intellegent design. Considering that major metro bike paths converge in platte valley and it is bike central for metro denver, it is highly probable that the curves were designed to slow down bike riders so they aren't racing in a straight line right down the middle of the park at 15-20+ mph to reach the ped/bike bridges. Their speed would be lowered to 7-15mph by intellegent design.

]]> By: Rob http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1347 Rob Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:22:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1347 Wow 56 comments over a ridiculous little rounded cement pathway. Give me a break, I've walked many times through the park and NOT once have I ever walked across the grass because goodness, it might save me all of 30 seconds. Gee whiz, why didn't we just build a big ole pedestrian tunnel OVER the park...that way, you wouldn't be at all inconvenienced by that rotten path of grass...oh yeh, in the park. Wow 56 comments over a ridiculous little rounded cement pathway. Give me a break, I've walked many times through the park and NOT once have I ever walked across the grass because goodness, it might save me all of 30 seconds. Gee whiz, why didn't we just build a big ole pedestrian tunnel OVER the park…that way, you wouldn't be at all inconvenienced by that rotten path of grass…oh yeh, in the park.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1345 Anonymous Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:55:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1345 This is in reference to the person who said New Yorkers don't demand side walks on the central park lawn...thats because the law is central and is surrounded by efficient paths. The park was designed so the lawn was not in the middle of a major pedestrian thoroughfare...Un like this current situation. This is in reference to the person who said New Yorkers don't demand side walks on the central park lawn…thats because the law is central and is surrounded by efficient paths. The park was designed so the lawn was not in the middle of a major pedestrian thoroughfare…Un like this current situation.

]]> By: Matt Pizzuti http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1338 Matt Pizzuti Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:20:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1338 I didn't realize that the park closed at 11pm. That's much more of a concern for me than the position of a sidewalk - if they want to keep Downtown alive at night, why would they close off one of its major walkways? How do you get across I-25 if you're walking home from the bars?<br /><br />They can't be worried about people getting mugged in the park if they have cops there anyway. Are they worried about people hooking up there? I didn't realize that the park closed at 11pm. That's much more of a concern for me than the position of a sidewalk – if they want to keep Downtown alive at night, why would they close off one of its major walkways? How do you get across I-25 if you're walking home from the bars?

They can't be worried about people getting mugged in the park if they have cops there anyway. Are they worried about people hooking up there?

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1336 Anonymous Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:56:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1336 For all you efficiency and time obsessed pedestrian commuters living West of the Platte... I think you've overlooked something that is sure to outrage. The bridge crosses the river at an angle! All those extra seconds you spend every year (~60) having to look at the water flow and listen to the birds sing when you could be doing something else like standing in line at Starbucks. Immediately march on city hall to get a new bridge built perpendicular to the river! For all you efficiency and time obsessed pedestrian commuters living West of the Platte… I think you've overlooked something that is sure to outrage. The bridge crosses the river at an angle! All those extra seconds you spend every year (~60) having to look at the water flow and listen to the birds sing when you could be doing something else like standing in line at Starbucks. Immediately march on city hall to get a new bridge built perpendicular to the river!

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/04/shortest-path.html/comment-page-2#comment-1325 Anonymous Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:01:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/04/the-shortest-path.html#comment-1325 The fact that the area directly between the Millennium and Platte River Bridges is the most functional, sports friendly space in the park just attests to what a poor design the park is. The fact that the area directly between the Millennium and Platte River Bridges is the most functional, sports friendly space in the park just attests to what a poor design the park is.

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