Comments on: The Future of the 16th Street Mall http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html News and information about urban infill development in the Mile High City Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:06:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-2#comment-3034 Anonymous Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:04:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-3034 There are some pretty cool subway systems around the world, too. I've read about them, and been on them. Here are some: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/Nanjingmetrotrain.jpg/800px-Nanjingmetrotrain.jpg<br />http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chervonyi_Khutir.jpg/800px-Chervonyi_Khutir.jpg<br />These aren't dark, depressing, and dingy! I think metro Denver is one of the BEST cities in the country, if not the world. We need to prepare ourselves for future needs, so metro Denver can remain one of the best cities, and even excel to be THE best. There are some pretty cool subway systems around the world, too. I've read about them, and been on them. Here are some: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/Nanjingmetrotrain.jpg/800px-Nanjingmetrotrain.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Chervonyi_Khutir.jpg/800px-Chervonyi_Khutir.jpg
These aren't dark, depressing, and dingy! I think metro Denver is one of the BEST cities in the country, if not the world. We need to prepare ourselves for future needs, so metro Denver can remain one of the best cities, and even excel to be THE best.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-2#comment-1676 Anonymous Tue, 27 May 2008 13:56:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1676 I like how Annon 5/23/2008 01:56:00 PM uses a monorail systen from the early 60's to argue against it! I was refering to something more like this<br /><br />http://www.railway-technology.com/contractor_images/selectron/2_las_vegas_monorail.jpg<br /><br />The "support structure" doesnt look all that large to me......<br /><br />Then there is the "submerged train" idea.<br /><br />http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_04_2ndavesub.jpg<br /><br />Yeah that would be nice! ha! I think not. I like how Annon 5/23/2008 01:56:00 PM uses a monorail systen from the early 60's to argue against it! I was refering to something more like this

http://www.railway-technology.com/contractor_images/selectron/2_las_vegas_monorail.jpg

The "support structure" doesnt look all that large to me……

Then there is the "submerged train" idea.

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_04_2ndavesub.jpg

Yeah that would be nice! ha! I think not.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-2#comment-1661 Anonymous Sat, 24 May 2008 20:42:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1661 Street cars are quiet. They would enable us to keep the current pavers and they look good. Before you object to the idea find out the type of vehicles we're talking about. This isn't any thing like "elevated rail or monorail. Check out what has already been posted on this site about Portland and Seattle. Street cars are quiet. They would enable us to keep the current pavers and they look good. Before you object to the idea find out the type of vehicles we're talking about. This isn't any thing like "elevated rail or monorail. Check out what has already been posted on this site about Portland and Seattle.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-1#comment-1660 Anonymous Sat, 24 May 2008 15:17:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1660 We should seriously consider moving the buses off 16th St to 15th St and 17th St, make 16th all human powered transit, meaning for both pedestrian and bicycle. In each direction keep the existing interior bus lane curb alignment, extend the outer curb to make the sidewalks wider, and there you have bike lanes in each direction. There are no Northwest / Southeast crosstown bike routes in the middle of downtown. This makes it very dicey for bicyclists. We should seriously consider moving the buses off 16th St to 15th St and 17th St, make 16th all human powered transit, meaning for both pedestrian and bicycle. In each direction keep the existing interior bus lane curb alignment, extend the outer curb to make the sidewalks wider, and there you have bike lanes in each direction. There are no Northwest / Southeast crosstown bike routes in the middle of downtown. This makes it very dicey for bicyclists.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-1#comment-1651 Anonymous Fri, 23 May 2008 21:11:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1651 interesting...but its a total waste to even hypothesize about a subway / elevated on 16th..why? it's ALREADY a 100% dedicated transit street. it's completed dedicated to transit, so no use or improvement in taking that transit below or above the street.<br /><br />however, the bus IS too slow..the lights should be timed a little better and the stops should be every OTHER block.<br /><br />the loop needs to be larger...20th street and 16th street gives us coverage from 14th to 22nd!! <br /><br />people can walk a measily two blocks and what an economic development engine for northern downtown! interesting…but its a total waste to even hypothesize about a subway / elevated on 16th..why? it's ALREADY a 100% dedicated transit street. it's completed dedicated to transit, so no use or improvement in taking that transit below or above the street.

however, the bus IS too slow..the lights should be timed a little better and the stops should be every OTHER block.

the loop needs to be larger…20th street and 16th street gives us coverage from 14th to 22nd!!

people can walk a measily two blocks and what an economic development engine for northern downtown!

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-1#comment-1650 Anonymous Fri, 23 May 2008 19:56:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1650 A monorail, or any elevated train, would likely need a significant support structure and therefore leave a significant shadow imprint, not to metnion look like crap. Seattle has a mile-long monorail, so we can see what we'd be in store for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Seattle_Center_Monorail.jpg. I, for one, would rather have a submerged train, especially in winter. A monorail, or any elevated train, would likely need a significant support structure and therefore leave a significant shadow imprint, not to metnion look like crap. Seattle has a mile-long monorail, so we can see what we'd be in store for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Seattle_Center_Monorail.jpg. I, for one, would rather have a submerged train, especially in winter.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-1#comment-1644 Anonymous Fri, 23 May 2008 15:19:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1644 Keep in mind also that the city proper of Denver is quickly reaching build-out and I think that we are starting to see density build up. Look around the central neighborhoods and see all of the tri-plexes that have replaced single family homes as well as the number of proposed condo/ apartment mid-rises and such. Keep in mind also that the city proper of Denver is quickly reaching build-out and I think that we are starting to see density build up. Look around the central neighborhoods and see all of the tri-plexes that have replaced single family homes as well as the number of proposed condo/ apartment mid-rises and such.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-1#comment-1643 Anonymous Fri, 23 May 2008 14:54:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1643 The more I think about it the more I like the monorail proposal. Monorails would not create as much of a shadow as a Chicago style "El" train and actually not much more shade than street trees. My problem with the subway is that it would just go one mile along 16th and not continue on. Also, I am not a big fan of having to go subterranean. I have lived in San Francisco and DC and find subway stations dingy and depressing. The mononrail could continue over to Auraria and on to the Pepsi Center/Elitch's and over the river to the Children's Museum/Aquarium and on to Mile High Stadium. It could be a tremendous way to connect all of the disparate attractions. The more I think about it the more I like the monorail proposal. Monorails would not create as much of a shadow as a Chicago style "El" train and actually not much more shade than street trees. My problem with the subway is that it would just go one mile along 16th and not continue on. Also, I am not a big fan of having to go subterranean. I have lived in San Francisco and DC and find subway stations dingy and depressing. The mononrail could continue over to Auraria and on to the Pepsi Center/Elitch's and over the river to the Children's Museum/Aquarium and on to Mile High Stadium. It could be a tremendous way to connect all of the disparate attractions.

]]> By: Anonymous http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-1#comment-1640 Anonymous Fri, 23 May 2008 03:17:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1640 The mission here i believe is to grasp a vision and communicate those visions or ideas to one another.I love the city of denver and want the best for our city. What i think the objective here is not just the past projection of growth or lack there of in denver. I believe it is what we would like for it to be or what we promote it to be. seems that we want our cities dt to grow. don't we all agree? So the theory build and they will come is kinda at play here. The city of denver is @ it's highest pop. ever. and so is the country. I believe that if we grow by subway system or fast tracks, or monorail, union station rebuilding, couple of very needed "world reknown signature" office towers, affordable hotel towers, and many, many more affordable residential towers, the people will come dt, not just because of the buildings but because of the envirnment or the vibe. I would love to live dt but simple can't afford to. I took a vacation to Chicago just to see the tall buildings there they are sweet! the people there have a swagger because of them. And bragg about the fact that they are catching New York city. Everyday and night in dt chicago was poppin. So how do we get these poppin new people and there business to dt denver build and they will come! you don't wait for a flood and then build a damn. you build the damn and then the rain comes. We residents of denver need to be and deserve to be second to none. a subway would pay for its self. And would get a gracious grant from the fed gov. probably. But just keep in mind that excel just rented out 350,000sq feet of a building that dosen't even exist yet in dt denver and also we lost the bid on boeing here a few years ago from lack of OFFICE space. The mission here i believe is to grasp a vision and communicate those visions or ideas to one another.I love the city of denver and want the best for our city. What i think the objective here is not just the past projection of growth or lack there of in denver. I believe it is what we would like for it to be or what we promote it to be. seems that we want our cities dt to grow. don't we all agree? So the theory build and they will come is kinda at play here. The city of denver is @ it's highest pop. ever. and so is the country. I believe that if we grow by subway system or fast tracks, or monorail, union station rebuilding, couple of very needed "world reknown signature" office towers, affordable hotel towers, and many, many more affordable residential towers, the people will come dt, not just because of the buildings but because of the envirnment or the vibe. I would love to live dt but simple can't afford to. I took a vacation to Chicago just to see the tall buildings there they are sweet! the people there have a swagger because of them. And bragg about the fact that they are catching New York city. Everyday and night in dt chicago was poppin. So how do we get these poppin new people and there business to dt denver build and they will come! you don't wait for a flood and then build a damn. you build the damn and then the rain comes. We residents of denver need to be and deserve to be second to none. a subway would pay for its self. And would get a gracious grant from the fed gov. probably. But just keep in mind that excel just rented out 350,000sq feet of a building that dosen't even exist yet in dt denver and also we lost the bid on boeing here a few years ago from lack of OFFICE space.

]]> By: Allen http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/05/future-of-16th-street-mall.html/comment-page-1#comment-1637 Allen Thu, 22 May 2008 20:17:00 +0000 http://denverinfill.com/wordpress/2008/05/the-future-of-the-16th-street-mall.html#comment-1637 "Allen,<br /><br />You talk about suburban development on a site that is specifically about urban infill? Pretty much everything on this board is about how much development is going on in the core of the city."<br /><br /><br />As a citizen of the city of Denver I am questioning the importance of possible projects going on in the city I choose to live in. I don't see how questioning spending a couple hundred million dollars on a street that is already very well covered by transit is talking about "suburban development". I simply want to make sure we have enough resources for our schools, first responders, parks, social workers and all the other services a really wonderful city provides. "Allen,

You talk about suburban development on a site that is specifically about urban infill? Pretty much everything on this board is about how much development is going on in the core of the city."

As a citizen of the city of Denver I am questioning the importance of possible projects going on in the city I choose to live in. I don't see how questioning spending a couple hundred million dollars on a street that is already very well covered by transit is talking about "suburban development". I simply want to make sure we have enough resources for our schools, first responders, parks, social workers and all the other services a really wonderful city provides.

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