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	<title>Comments on: UCD Students Complete Concept Plans for Union Station Public Spaces</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support the work of the students and hope that their output gets considered in the final plan.  I especially like the density in each of the proposals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope the final plan addresses more thoroughly how the redevelopment fits into the exiting city.  Many ideas, including those of the students, appear to ignore the surrounding area and attempt to build a self-sustained island with downtown Denver.  Existing facilities and amenities need to be acknowledged and not duplicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support the work of the students and hope that their output gets considered in the final plan.  I especially like the density in each of the proposals.</p>
<p>I hope the final plan addresses more thoroughly how the redevelopment fits into the exiting city.  Many ideas, including those of the students, appear to ignore the surrounding area and attempt to build a self-sustained island with downtown Denver.  Existing facilities and amenities need to be acknowledged and not duplicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with anon10:48. The space should facilitate movement of large groups of people, allow for seating, and be designed for large outdoor events (community concerts, farmers markets, et al).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Multi-function requires open spaces that can be reorganized with event requirements. A large stone-paved plaza with six London Plane Trees (think Bryant Park, NYC) flanking each wing of DUS would be unbelievably simple and fulfill all the needs of the space.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Add in some great commissioned public art and a unique water feature or fountain(ice rink is a great idea) and you&#039;ll have a great public space that enhances LoDo in a simple, sophisticated manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with anon10:48. The space should facilitate movement of large groups of people, allow for seating, and be designed for large outdoor events (community concerts, farmers markets, et al).</p>
<p>Multi-function requires open spaces that can be reorganized with event requirements. A large stone-paved plaza with six London Plane Trees (think Bryant Park, NYC) flanking each wing of DUS would be unbelievably simple and fulfill all the needs of the space.</p>
<p>Add in some great commissioned public art and a unique water feature or fountain(ice rink is a great idea) and you&#39;ll have a great public space that enhances LoDo in a simple, sophisticated manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate, really, to be negative, but I disagree with the perceived quality of the work in general.  Four graduate students each in four groups spending four months on this project should have resulted in plans that are both individually compelling and accessible and present solutions to the urban design of a crucial city space.  Individually, fountains and sunken plazas don&#039;t activate - it&#039;s the density and uses that surround a space, as well as the connections to the space, that create quality urban environments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Outside of that remarkably arrogant soap-boxy moment, I appreciated most the thought and attention that went into the fourth group&#039;s presentation.  That&#039;s the quality of thought and expressions that should be coming out of all the studios at my alma mater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate, really, to be negative, but I disagree with the perceived quality of the work in general.  Four graduate students each in four groups spending four months on this project should have resulted in plans that are both individually compelling and accessible and present solutions to the urban design of a crucial city space.  Individually, fountains and sunken plazas don&#39;t activate &#8211; it&#39;s the density and uses that surround a space, as well as the connections to the space, that create quality urban environments.</p>
<p>Outside of that remarkably arrogant soap-boxy moment, I appreciated most the thought and attention that went into the fourth group&#39;s presentation.  That&#39;s the quality of thought and expressions that should be coming out of all the studios at my alma mater.</p>
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		<title>By: BeyondDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeyondDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between Denver and Europe is that those big open squares in Europe are surrounded by such tremendous user density that filling them with people isn&#039;t a problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That user density doesn&#039;t exist in Denver, and even with FasTracks it won&#039;t exist here on its own since all the rail activity is behind the station. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So simply paving these plazas over and leaving them alone is a recipe for empty, dreary plazas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between Denver and Europe is that those big open squares in Europe are surrounded by such tremendous user density that filling them with people isn&#39;t a problem.</p>
<p>That user density doesn&#39;t exist in Denver, and even with FasTracks it won&#39;t exist here on its own since all the rail activity is behind the station. </p>
<p>So simply paving these plazas over and leaving them alone is a recipe for empty, dreary plazas.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for sharing.  A hearty thanks to the students for their truly outstanding work - it&#039;s good to see such quality work coming out of the school&#039;s design program.  I concur with beyonddc that their are very intriguing components presented in each of the concepts.  They offer great value and should be seriously considered as a final design for spaces around the station is developed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for sharing.  A hearty thanks to the students for their truly outstanding work &#8211; it&#39;s good to see such quality work coming out of the school&#39;s design program.  I concur with beyonddc that their are very intriguing components presented in each of the concepts.  They offer great value and should be seriously considered as a final design for spaces around the station is developed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to advocate simplicity and minimal clutter. In Europe we often see open expanses with simple pavements of granite or brick. These spaces allow for views of the nearby buildings that are unobstructed and they permit easy pedestrian motion. They are also simple to maintain. Seems to me the Union station would benefit from simply having open spaces. It&#039;s a good looking building, let it be seen ... so I suppose I&#039;m not in favor of any of these plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d like to advocate simplicity and minimal clutter. In Europe we often see open expanses with simple pavements of granite or brick. These spaces allow for views of the nearby buildings that are unobstructed and they permit easy pedestrian motion. They are also simple to maintain. Seems to me the Union station would benefit from simply having open spaces. It&#39;s a good looking building, let it be seen &#8230; so I suppose I&#39;m not in favor of any of these plans.</p>
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		<title>By: BeyondDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeyondDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool. The big problem here is how to activate those two flanking squares (currently parking lots). They&#039;re so large that doing so in a manner that doesn&#039;t leave large dead spaces is going to be really difficult. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think all these concepts offer good lessons. Individually they have their weaknesses and strengths, but looking at them all has been really valuable. I think if we picked and choose the best elements from each one we could have an exceedingly lovely public space on our hands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Concept A does a good job of breaking the plazas up into manageable pieces, each of which can be activated using whatever strategy is best for that individual space. That is going to be a key technique, I think. But can we please not cover up the historic Union Station façade with a dime-a-dozen glass curtain wall?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Concept B has all sorts of things I love. The arcade on the wing buildings will do a lot to make them permeable and interesting. The statue directly in front of DUT will provide a single easily-identifiable meeting point and a nice piece of art. The grand staircase will turn what could have been an alley into a gorgeous non-symmetrical outdoor room / amphitheatre, especially if there&#039;s something interesting going on at the bottom of the stairs. The basin and the fountain are good ideas also, but more thought needs to be given to their placement in the plazas and how they will interact with other features. I&#039;m also concerned that alone they aren&#039;t enough to keep the plaza busy.  I don&#039;t think you can do this without a lot of outdoor dining (which doesn&#039;t seem to be provided), and I&#039;m not convinced that there shouldn&#039;t be a place here for some sort of soft landscaping.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Concept C does great work on the edges, and I like that they&#039;re willing to consider a diverse range of architectural styles, but there&#039;s not enough going on in the plaza itself. I like the bridge a lot. Imagine it behind team B&#039;s staircase. What a space that would be!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Concept D&#039;s great strength is that it recognizes the diverse needs of the plaza. I *really* love that they&#039;re activating the flanking buildings of the station with seating and awnings. The arbor is a fantastic idea. I have mixed feelings about the terraces - will activity on a second level add to the vitality or take away users from the plaza? Could go either way. Like concept B, I like that they&#039;re providing a single central place, but I&#039;d rather see a statue than granite blocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool. The big problem here is how to activate those two flanking squares (currently parking lots). They&#39;re so large that doing so in a manner that doesn&#39;t leave large dead spaces is going to be really difficult. </p>
<p>I think all these concepts offer good lessons. Individually they have their weaknesses and strengths, but looking at them all has been really valuable. I think if we picked and choose the best elements from each one we could have an exceedingly lovely public space on our hands.</p>
<p>Concept A does a good job of breaking the plazas up into manageable pieces, each of which can be activated using whatever strategy is best for that individual space. That is going to be a key technique, I think. But can we please not cover up the historic Union Station façade with a dime-a-dozen glass curtain wall?</p>
<p>Concept B has all sorts of things I love. The arcade on the wing buildings will do a lot to make them permeable and interesting. The statue directly in front of DUT will provide a single easily-identifiable meeting point and a nice piece of art. The grand staircase will turn what could have been an alley into a gorgeous non-symmetrical outdoor room / amphitheatre, especially if there&#39;s something interesting going on at the bottom of the stairs. The basin and the fountain are good ideas also, but more thought needs to be given to their placement in the plazas and how they will interact with other features. I&#39;m also concerned that alone they aren&#39;t enough to keep the plaza busy.  I don&#39;t think you can do this without a lot of outdoor dining (which doesn&#39;t seem to be provided), and I&#39;m not convinced that there shouldn&#39;t be a place here for some sort of soft landscaping.</p>
<p>Concept C does great work on the edges, and I like that they&#39;re willing to consider a diverse range of architectural styles, but there&#39;s not enough going on in the plaza itself. I like the bridge a lot. Imagine it behind team B&#39;s staircase. What a space that would be!</p>
<p>Concept D&#39;s great strength is that it recognizes the diverse needs of the plaza. I *really* love that they&#39;re activating the flanking buildings of the station with seating and awnings. The arbor is a fantastic idea. I have mixed feelings about the terraces &#8211; will activity on a second level add to the vitality or take away users from the plaza? Could go either way. Like concept B, I like that they&#39;re providing a single central place, but I&#39;d rather see a statue than granite blocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Saint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see Union Station be a true transit station, like what you see in Europe.  The plaza needs to be completely functional and have year round (or as long as people are willing to work them) open air markets: produce vendors, juice vendors, coffee vendors, magazine vendors, etc, also with an official busker pad with electrical outlets available.  The space should be designed with that thought in mind.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what a great opportunity for the students!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d like to see Union Station be a true transit station, like what you see in Europe.  The plaza needs to be completely functional and have year round (or as long as people are willing to work them) open air markets: produce vendors, juice vendors, coffee vendors, magazine vendors, etc, also with an official busker pad with electrical outlets available.  The space should be designed with that thought in mind.  </p>
<p>And what a great opportunity for the students!</p>
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