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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/11/happy-thanksgiving-denver.html/comment-page-1#comment-2979</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the rail line to Boulder and Longmont probably is redundant with the bus lanes along Hwy 36.  If any cuts to the FasTrax rail lines are necessary, I think it makes sense to end the northwest line in Westminster.  The Boulder/Longmont extension could always be built in the future.  Also, Boulder should build its own trolley car system.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Corey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the rail line to Boulder and Longmont probably is redundant with the bus lanes along Hwy 36.  If any cuts to the FasTrax rail lines are necessary, I think it makes sense to end the northwest line in Westminster.  The Boulder/Longmont extension could always be built in the future.  Also, Boulder should build its own trolley car system.</p>
<p>Corey</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/11/happy-thanksgiving-denver.html/comment-page-1#comment-2975</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen, of course there were other problems with DIA, and of course Denver is not perfect, which is why I said that &quot;this is &lt;i&gt;usually&lt;/i&gt; how it goes in Denver&quot; and that &quot;Denver is certainly &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; perfect&quot; and since you seem to agree that Denver tends to be better managed than other cities and that we&#039;ve generally done a good job with our projects... then thank you for your post. We certainly want to learn from our mistakes in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen, of course there were other problems with DIA, and of course Denver is not perfect, which is why I said that &quot;this is <i>usually</i> how it goes in Denver&quot; and that &quot;Denver is certainly <i>not</i> perfect&quot; and since you seem to agree that Denver tends to be better managed than other cities and that we&#39;ve generally done a good job with our projects&#8230; then thank you for your post. We certainly want to learn from our mistakes in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/11/happy-thanksgiving-denver.html/comment-page-1#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite aware of the baggage system issues as it was something I studied for a software engineering class.  Having studied &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;it, I know that it was a large factor in the problems the project incurred.  Over time though politicians have managed to &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;turn it into a scapegoat.  Even if the system had caused all of the delays and extra costs, which it quite clearly did not, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;at best it would mean those in charge of the project royally screwed up by allowing it to be included.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The baggage system was a major factor in the delay of the opening from the of 1993 to March 1995.  The problem is that once that system was officially behind schedule, it became the catch-all bucket for delay blame.  Beside the higher level issue of city leaders and project managers allowing for it to come into play too late into the project and aside from the higher level issue of the city officials and project leaders letting their hubris take over and assigning the world&#039;s most largest complex baggage system ever attempted a timeschedule that no engineer would give it, the baggage project took the flak for other delays that would have existed had it not been there.  There were many construction issues steming from over ambitious schedules, late design changes, issues with getting enough supplies of materials and others that caused other aspects of the project to be delayed.  The baggage system screwed things up but it was far from being the only source of delays in the project.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;DIA&#039;s initial construct cost @ $5 billion.  The original projected cost was @$2.75 billion (even less if you go back to Pena&#039;s irrationally low estimates... but let&#039;s be kind and not put those into play).  Cost overruns from the bagggase system only account for 1/4, $500 million, of the $2.25 billion in cost overruns in the project.  Most of the cost overruns were due to things other than the baggage system.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The end result is a project that was not completed on time not on budget.  That doesn&#039;t change that Denver&#039;s a great place to live.  It doesn&#039;t change that When compared to older cities out east, Denver is clearly better managed.  And in the last 25 years Denver&#039;s carried out a lot of big projects and for the most part done a good job with them.  Nevertheless, it hasn&#039;t been perfect.  We just need to keep in mind the mistakes that have been made to help avoid doing them again the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m quite aware of the baggage system issues as it was something I studied for a software engineering class.  Having studied </p>
<p>it, I know that it was a large factor in the problems the project incurred.  Over time though politicians have managed to </p>
<p>turn it into a scapegoat.  Even if the system had caused all of the delays and extra costs, which it quite clearly did not, </p>
<p>at best it would mean those in charge of the project royally screwed up by allowing it to be included.  </p>
<p>The baggage system was a major factor in the delay of the opening from the of 1993 to March 1995.  The problem is that once that system was officially behind schedule, it became the catch-all bucket for delay blame.  Beside the higher level issue of city leaders and project managers allowing for it to come into play too late into the project and aside from the higher level issue of the city officials and project leaders letting their hubris take over and assigning the world&#39;s most largest complex baggage system ever attempted a timeschedule that no engineer would give it, the baggage project took the flak for other delays that would have existed had it not been there.  There were many construction issues steming from over ambitious schedules, late design changes, issues with getting enough supplies of materials and others that caused other aspects of the project to be delayed.  The baggage system screwed things up but it was far from being the only source of delays in the project.  </p>
<p>DIA&#39;s initial construct cost @ $5 billion.  The original projected cost was @$2.75 billion (even less if you go back to Pena&#39;s irrationally low estimates&#8230; but let&#39;s be kind and not put those into play).  Cost overruns from the bagggase system only account for 1/4, $500 million, of the $2.25 billion in cost overruns in the project.  Most of the cost overruns were due to things other than the baggage system.  </p>
<p>The end result is a project that was not completed on time not on budget.  That doesn&#39;t change that Denver&#39;s a great place to live.  It doesn&#39;t change that When compared to older cities out east, Denver is clearly better managed.  And in the last 25 years Denver&#39;s carried out a lot of big projects and for the most part done a good job with them.  Nevertheless, it hasn&#39;t been perfect.  We just need to keep in mind the mistakes that have been made to help avoid doing them again the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Pizzuti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Pizzuti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think Denver voters will follow through with the same kind of enthusiasm if the FasTracks program needs to request more money?  I&#039;ve already heard that they are considering cutting a rail line to Boulder because, they explain, Boulder commuters are &quot;too attached to using the bus.&quot;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Um, of course they are attached to the bus, it&#039;s the only transit to Denver avaiable.  But I&#039;ve heard from multiple sources that they want to cancel the line that would go through Westminster, Broomfield, Louisville, Boulder an Longmont.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hopefully the drop in construction material costs due to the recession will put this budget overrun back in the green, OR one of or two Democratic senators will will request a nice econoic-stimulus earmark for Denver&#039;s RTD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think Denver voters will follow through with the same kind of enthusiasm if the FasTracks program needs to request more money?  I&#39;ve already heard that they are considering cutting a rail line to Boulder because, they explain, Boulder commuters are &quot;too attached to using the bus.&quot;  </p>
<p>Um, of course they are attached to the bus, it&#39;s the only transit to Denver avaiable.  But I&#39;ve heard from multiple sources that they want to cancel the line that would go through Westminster, Broomfield, Louisville, Boulder an Longmont.  </p>
<p>Hopefully the drop in construction material costs due to the recession will put this budget overrun back in the green, OR one of or two Democratic senators will will request a nice econoic-stimulus earmark for Denver&#39;s RTD.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is demonstrating any ignorance here, Allen?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware that the primary reason for DIA&#039;s schedule delay, and much of the budget overrun, was due to the automated baggage system that United Airlines insisted upon but that the city opposed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nevertheless, my point was that in Denver, we have a pretty good (not perfect) record when it comes to civic projects, and my larger point was that Denver citizens have demonstrated over 150 years a collective ambition toward progress and forward thinking--DIA being a prime example--for which I am thankful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is demonstrating any ignorance here, Allen?</p>
<p>I&#39;m sure you&#39;re aware that the primary reason for DIA&#39;s schedule delay, and much of the budget overrun, was due to the automated baggage system that United Airlines insisted upon but that the city opposed. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, my point was that in Denver, we have a pretty good (not perfect) record when it comes to civic projects, and my larger point was that Denver citizens have demonstrated over 150 years a collective ambition toward progress and forward thinking&#8211;DIA being a prime example&#8211;for which I am thankful.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The opening of DIA was delayed 3 or 4 times and it cost 4-5 times more than it was originally slated to cost.  I encourage everyone to be proud of Denver.  But that pride should be genuine and not arise from ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opening of DIA was delayed 3 or 4 times and it cost 4-5 times more than it was originally slated to cost.  I encourage everyone to be proud of Denver.  But that pride should be genuine and not arise from ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You Ken, well said.&lt;br /&gt;I was born and raised in Denver and I am very proud of my hometown. Regardless of size Denver is a great City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You Ken, well said.<br />I was born and raised in Denver and I am very proud of my hometown. Regardless of size Denver is a great City.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likewise Ken. Thanks for that post. I&#039;m also thankful that we&#039;re still not uptight and that we can say things like Happy Thanksgiving instead of Happy Holidays. Our laid back attitudes will open up all kinds of doors for this city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likewise Ken. Thanks for that post. I&#39;m also thankful that we&#39;re still not uptight and that we can say things like Happy Thanksgiving instead of Happy Holidays. Our laid back attitudes will open up all kinds of doors for this city.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Ken! Well said!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And tonight they&#039;re lighting the lights. Something which, for me, has always sort of personified all that is great about Denver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Ken! Well said!</p>
<p>And tonight they&#39;re lighting the lights. Something which, for me, has always sort of personified all that is great about Denver.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, well done!  Both of your scenarios are true.  I am also thankful to live here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, well done!  Both of your scenarios are true.  I am also thankful to live here.</p>
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