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		<title>By: gash22</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2008/12/putting-our-best-foot-forward.html/comment-page-1#comment-3060</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a strong effort to get more &#039;anchor&#039; type retail downtown would not be wasted. Seattle has done this very well, they have an entire &#039;mall district&#039; downtown with Macys, Nordstroms, several movie theaters, and numerous smaller retailers. They also have far more downtown housing. But Denver&#039;s housing stock downtown is growing and eventually, the stores will follow.  But more stores would also attract more residents.... its kind of a chicken/egg thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a strong effort to get more &#39;anchor&#39; type retail downtown would not be wasted. Seattle has done this very well, they have an entire &#39;mall district&#39; downtown with Macys, Nordstroms, several movie theaters, and numerous smaller retailers. They also have far more downtown housing. But Denver&#39;s housing stock downtown is growing and eventually, the stores will follow.  But more stores would also attract more residents&#8230;. its kind of a chicken/egg thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN anon 3:49 AMEN!!</description>
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		<title>By: Mymilehi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mymilehi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon @ 3:49,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was about to rant off about the rampant elitism that is exhibited here, sometimes, when I realized that you may have a point. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now here are some things we can both agree on:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We live in a capitalistic society, not a socialist society. In this case, it means that we are not obligated, as citizens of the US,  to care for the well being of others in our society. Yes, the state can use our tax dollars to provide welfare services. But this is only possible because we, the taxpayers and voters, give consent. The reality of living in a capitalistic society is that there will always be inequality all the time. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now it is important to understand that it doesnt have to be this way. The world doesnt have to be....&quot;unfair&quot;. But any other way would be considered UN-AMERICAN, wouldn&#039;t it? And in such a scary world, where our way of life and freedoms are always in danger, who would want to challenge capitalism? Don&#039;t you owe those who have died protecting your freedoms?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyways, my point is that the taxpayers/voters and the government that represents their interests determine the plight of the homeless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon @ 3:49,</p>
<p>I was about to rant off about the rampant elitism that is exhibited here, sometimes, when I realized that you may have a point. </p>
<p>Now here are some things we can both agree on:</p>
<p>We live in a capitalistic society, not a socialist society. In this case, it means that we are not obligated, as citizens of the US,  to care for the well being of others in our society. Yes, the state can use our tax dollars to provide welfare services. But this is only possible because we, the taxpayers and voters, give consent. The reality of living in a capitalistic society is that there will always be inequality all the time. </p>
<p>Now it is important to understand that it doesnt have to be this way. The world doesnt have to be&#8230;.&quot;unfair&quot;. But any other way would be considered UN-AMERICAN, wouldn&#39;t it? And in such a scary world, where our way of life and freedoms are always in danger, who would want to challenge capitalism? Don&#39;t you owe those who have died protecting your freedoms?</p>
<p>Anyways, my point is that the taxpayers/voters and the government that represents their interests determine the plight of the homeless.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my belief that we have the homeless problem we have is precisely because we have become far too tolerant of them.  Yes, they are &quot;bums&quot; and what&#039;s needed is a much harsher line on allowing them to panhandle, shoplift, urinate in doorways, and get drunk and high right in the public space.  There used to be vagrancy charges that could be leveled at bums, yes, bums.  Now, I will agree that given the  woeful state of mental health care and the reluctance to compel the mentally ill into involuntary residence facilities (due to previously appalling conditions), that prevails in our society, not everyone out on the streets has chosen to be there.  However, begging or committing petty (and sometimes felonious) crimes in order to buy alcohol or drugs has become a pliable lifestyle and a crackdown is long overdue.  Are we not building enough low-income housing for day labourers?  No, we&#039;re probably not.  I think there will always be in all societies, some level of people who try and fail to get by on their own and in their cases, helping hands in the form of shelters are needed, especially in the case of families.    I do not think that elevating the bum to this level of victimhood has done us any good. We need to take back the 16th Street Mall, Civic Center Park, the Cherry Creek pathway and the Public Library for the people they were intended to serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s my belief that we have the homeless problem we have is precisely because we have become far too tolerant of them.  Yes, they are &quot;bums&quot; and what&#39;s needed is a much harsher line on allowing them to panhandle, shoplift, urinate in doorways, and get drunk and high right in the public space.  There used to be vagrancy charges that could be leveled at bums, yes, bums.  Now, I will agree that given the  woeful state of mental health care and the reluctance to compel the mentally ill into involuntary residence facilities (due to previously appalling conditions), that prevails in our society, not everyone out on the streets has chosen to be there.  However, begging or committing petty (and sometimes felonious) crimes in order to buy alcohol or drugs has become a pliable lifestyle and a crackdown is long overdue.  Are we not building enough low-income housing for day labourers?  No, we&#39;re probably not.  I think there will always be in all societies, some level of people who try and fail to get by on their own and in their cases, helping hands in the form of shelters are needed, especially in the case of families.    I do not think that elevating the bum to this level of victimhood has done us any good. We need to take back the 16th Street Mall, Civic Center Park, the Cherry Creek pathway and the Public Library for the people they were intended to serve.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anon 5:30pm&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He didn&#039;t mean to exclude all of Nebraska.  Obviously, it was just a pun.  He might as well have said &quot;Nunavut&quot;.  Relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anon 5:30pm</p>
<p>He didn&#39;t mean to exclude all of Nebraska.  Obviously, it was just a pun.  He might as well have said &quot;Nunavut&quot;.  Relax.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous 12/20/2008 05:30:00 PM&lt;br /&gt;You said, &quot;Downtown is for everyone, even people from Omaha.&quot; Why Omaha? Don&#039;t be hating on Omaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous 12/20/2008 05:30:00 PM<br />You said, &quot;Downtown is for everyone, even people from Omaha.&quot; Why Omaha? Don&#39;t be hating on Omaha.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon 9:20:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I take offense at your post.  Everyone knows that the King Soopers at 9th and Corona is the lamest in the state!  Shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 9:20:</p>
<p>I take offense at your post.  Everyone knows that the King Soopers at 9th and Corona is the lamest in the state!  Shame on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon 1:44:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought it was interesting that you started your argument with &#039;we need an Apple Store?&#039; You&#039;re kidding right!? How about something substantial like a Best Buy? Or better yet, an urban Target with groceries? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, in any true convention city, such as New York or Chicago, you&#039;ll find plenty of novelty stores anywhere near the conference facilities. I feel that having such stores adds to the flavor of the city. It is actually quite wonderful to see so many conventiongoers venture to the 16th Street Mall versus just crossing the street from their hotels. If we replaced most of the exciting and unique shops along the Mall with bland, name-brand stores it would simply be another copy of Park Meadows or Flatiron Crossing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 1:44:</p>
<p>I thought it was interesting that you started your argument with &#39;we need an Apple Store?&#39; You&#39;re kidding right!? How about something substantial like a Best Buy? Or better yet, an urban Target with groceries? </p>
<p>Also, in any true convention city, such as New York or Chicago, you&#39;ll find plenty of novelty stores anywhere near the conference facilities. I feel that having such stores adds to the flavor of the city. It is actually quite wonderful to see so many conventiongoers venture to the 16th Street Mall versus just crossing the street from their hotels. If we replaced most of the exciting and unique shops along the Mall with bland, name-brand stores it would simply be another copy of Park Meadows or Flatiron Crossing!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if they would just put a damn multi-story macy&#039;s in the sage building...if we could only get a denver version of the old marshall fields store to serve as a retail anchor, I think that retail would spring up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if they would just put a damn multi-story macy&#39;s in the sage building&#8230;if we could only get a denver version of the old marshall fields store to serve as a retail anchor, I think that retail would spring up.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t for the thread, but needs to be discussed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(a) We need immediate leadership in attracting quality retail to downtown.  It&#039;s great that there&#039;s Cherry Creek Mall, but we need all that stuff downtown.  If that means Cherry Creek has to close, so be it, but we cannot be held hostage to it.  We need an Apple Store, we need 4 more Pavilions-like entities between the Pavilions and the Tabor Center with marquee stores.  We need to get rid of the junk novelty stores on 16th Street (or consolidate them all into interior sites) and replace them with name brands.  The DURA should set aside funds for fascade work with strict requirements for all businesses on 16th.  It should be like Times Square.  Exciting, vibrant, and alive with light, color, and so on. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(b) We need our city council to visit Chicago&#039;s new Millennium Park and see how they&#039;ve connected the park across Lake Shore Drive (10 times more unfriendly to pedestrians that Speer could ever hope to  be) to the lake front using a marvelous new curvy bridge.  It&#039;s indescribable.  We need our people to see what a great city can be.  Denver is in precisely the same position Chicago was in the 1960s when the Hancock was built and people started moving back downtown.  There is much to be learned from the Chicagoans about how to handle it, what to do and what not to do etc.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(c) Downtown is in immediate need of full-fledged, walking-distance grocery store(s).  Chicago has some fine examples of downtown grocery stores and how they&#039;ve been built and designed into condo towers.  Our 8-story building developers don&#039;t get the value and principle of having a mixed-use facility.  We need a Water Tower Place with a real indoor shopping mall, hotel, and condo tower in one.  Not sure why the Spire people didn&#039;t figure this out.  So you build two buildings three blocks apart to house potentially more than 1000 people and give them no where to buy groceries?  They have to drive up Speer to the lamest King Soopers in the state?  How is that Pedestrian-friendly? Oh, I know there&#039;re &#039;plans&#039; for one in the redevelopment of Union Station...which is good, but there need to be a couple of them available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#39;t for the thread, but needs to be discussed.</p>
<p>(a) We need immediate leadership in attracting quality retail to downtown.  It&#39;s great that there&#39;s Cherry Creek Mall, but we need all that stuff downtown.  If that means Cherry Creek has to close, so be it, but we cannot be held hostage to it.  We need an Apple Store, we need 4 more Pavilions-like entities between the Pavilions and the Tabor Center with marquee stores.  We need to get rid of the junk novelty stores on 16th Street (or consolidate them all into interior sites) and replace them with name brands.  The DURA should set aside funds for fascade work with strict requirements for all businesses on 16th.  It should be like Times Square.  Exciting, vibrant, and alive with light, color, and so on. </p>
<p>(b) We need our city council to visit Chicago&#39;s new Millennium Park and see how they&#39;ve connected the park across Lake Shore Drive (10 times more unfriendly to pedestrians that Speer could ever hope to  be) to the lake front using a marvelous new curvy bridge.  It&#39;s indescribable.  We need our people to see what a great city can be.  Denver is in precisely the same position Chicago was in the 1960s when the Hancock was built and people started moving back downtown.  There is much to be learned from the Chicagoans about how to handle it, what to do and what not to do etc.  </p>
<p>(c) Downtown is in immediate need of full-fledged, walking-distance grocery store(s).  Chicago has some fine examples of downtown grocery stores and how they&#39;ve been built and designed into condo towers.  Our 8-story building developers don&#39;t get the value and principle of having a mixed-use facility.  We need a Water Tower Place with a real indoor shopping mall, hotel, and condo tower in one.  Not sure why the Spire people didn&#39;t figure this out.  So you build two buildings three blocks apart to house potentially more than 1000 people and give them no where to buy groceries?  They have to drive up Speer to the lamest King Soopers in the state?  How is that Pedestrian-friendly? Oh, I know there&#39;re &#39;plans&#39; for one in the redevelopment of Union Station&#8230;which is good, but there need to be a couple of them available.</p>
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