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		<title>By: Jellyneck</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2009/10/colorado-history-center-design.html/comment-page-1#comment-4327</link>
		<dc:creator>Jellyneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true - this building is a rehash of so many others done before it.  Maybe after living in a wedge for so many years, the occupants decided the wanted to relive 1995 with so many of it&#039;s other neighbors and just blend in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s true &#8211; this building is a rehash of so many others done before it.  Maybe after living in a wedge for so many years, the occupants decided the wanted to relive 1995 with so many of it&#39;s other neighbors and just blend in.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the sequel to the Webb Building.  I would like to see some local historic architecture either incorporated or interpreted into this building.  This design is not distinctive nor interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the sequel to the Webb Building.  I would like to see some local historic architecture either incorporated or interpreted into this building.  This design is not distinctive nor interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Saint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should have added another story and rented out the base to a grocery store, a hardware store, or anything else that&#039;s much needed in the area (granted, another grocery store would be nice on the top of the hill, not at the bottom), or if they want to keep with the theme, rent to some high dollar private galleries or lounges to add some evening life. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the building itself, Denver seems to be running for a &quot;civic building&quot; look.  It&#039;s from the same mold as the Libeskind design and the Convention Center.  If anything, it&#039;s too close to the art museum to have that sort of repetition in this brand of design.  It&#039;s not my favorite style anyway, but it makes a decent enough contrast to the ING building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should have added another story and rented out the base to a grocery store, a hardware store, or anything else that&#39;s much needed in the area (granted, another grocery store would be nice on the top of the hill, not at the bottom), or if they want to keep with the theme, rent to some high dollar private galleries or lounges to add some evening life. </p>
<p>As for the building itself, Denver seems to be running for a &quot;civic building&quot; look.  It&#39;s from the same mold as the Libeskind design and the Convention Center.  If anything, it&#39;s too close to the art museum to have that sort of repetition in this brand of design.  It&#39;s not my favorite style anyway, but it makes a decent enough contrast to the ING building.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just made it back in town from the state AIA conference I concur with the &#039;It&#039;s OK, but could be better crowd&#039;.  Also, the point above about it saying something more about Colorado is valid.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My thinking is going this way because of two presentations at that conference.  One from the folks at IDEO and the other Bjarke Ingels and Michel Rojkind.  The latter being one of the more inspiring strings of &#039;why not, let&#039;s try it, makes sense, why didn&#039;t I think of that, how come that doesn&#039;t happen more often&#039; examples I&#039;ve ever seen.  Bold and outrageous at times?  Yes.  Completely logical and representative of place at others?  Yes.  The main message from it all was to think a little bit bigger outside of the box, don&#039;t be afraid to try and maybe something survives that is unique or referring to place.  There were a few grumbles about youthful exuberance displayed by Rojkind and Ingles but they were far exceeded by the &quot;That was pretty amazing, how do I bring that back to my practice&quot; (also youthful exuberance. BTW Rojkind and Ingles are somewhere in their 30&#039;s) comments as well.  Can it be so hard to reach somewhere in between here in Denver????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just made it back in town from the state AIA conference I concur with the &#39;It&#39;s OK, but could be better crowd&#39;.  Also, the point above about it saying something more about Colorado is valid.  </p>
<p>My thinking is going this way because of two presentations at that conference.  One from the folks at IDEO and the other Bjarke Ingels and Michel Rojkind.  The latter being one of the more inspiring strings of &#39;why not, let&#39;s try it, makes sense, why didn&#39;t I think of that, how come that doesn&#39;t happen more often&#39; examples I&#39;ve ever seen.  Bold and outrageous at times?  Yes.  Completely logical and representative of place at others?  Yes.  The main message from it all was to think a little bit bigger outside of the box, don&#39;t be afraid to try and maybe something survives that is unique or referring to place.  There were a few grumbles about youthful exuberance displayed by Rojkind and Ingles but they were far exceeded by the &quot;That was pretty amazing, how do I bring that back to my practice&quot; (also youthful exuberance. BTW Rojkind and Ingles are somewhere in their 30&#39;s) comments as well.  Can it be so hard to reach somewhere in between here in Denver????</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of those &quot;haters&quot; hysterymystery referred to and I would love to take him up on his bet.  I actually did read the article; which I did find interesting and I&#039;ll admit, warmed me up to the design a little bit.  I would definitely not say this is a bad design, just not a really good one.  I too don&#039;t want some radical piece of architecture that make a better statue.  I would support what Anon 8:37 suggests.  I also think that if creatively done, the Denver Four Square could have some merit.  I have huge respect for Tryba and I do love several of their projects, such as the Webb Building, Clayton Lane, what they did with the Teatro, etc.  It seems like they are often in the &quot;mix&quot; for may high profile projects and deserve to be considered.  However, I do feel disappointed with their designs for this project and 1900 Sixteenth.  Probably because I feel these projects are much more significant than most and deserve the best.  I&#039;ll keep my fingers crossed that i will be pleasantly surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of those &quot;haters&quot; hysterymystery referred to and I would love to take him up on his bet.  I actually did read the article; which I did find interesting and I&#39;ll admit, warmed me up to the design a little bit.  I would definitely not say this is a bad design, just not a really good one.  I too don&#39;t want some radical piece of architecture that make a better statue.  I would support what Anon 8:37 suggests.  I also think that if creatively done, the Denver Four Square could have some merit.  I have huge respect for Tryba and I do love several of their projects, such as the Webb Building, Clayton Lane, what they did with the Teatro, etc.  It seems like they are often in the &quot;mix&quot; for may high profile projects and deserve to be considered.  However, I do feel disappointed with their designs for this project and 1900 Sixteenth.  Probably because I feel these projects are much more significant than most and deserve the best.  I&#39;ll keep my fingers crossed that i will be pleasantly surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm... something to do with colorado, they should have made it a massive denver foursquare!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230; something to do with colorado, they should have made it a massive denver foursquare!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight...after all these comments it appears that the definition of &quot;good&quot; architecture has been reduced to &quot;it&#039;s limestone&quot; and that it is better than &quot;an empty trashed out parking-lot&quot;.  I don&#039;t think anyone who has dissed this design were suggesting it should be some &quot;look at me&quot; design.  All I want is for it to not be bad design.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Suggestion #1: Design in section - not just plan - to produce some spatial interest.  Then, try expressing some sense of volume and internal space on the exterior of the building.  This could be a suburban office building.  Suggestion #2:  There are so many new and exciting ways to do curtainwall these days, why not try one?  The overly horizontal stripedness of this design ran out of intellectual steam in the late 1990s.  Suggestion #3: Make the entrance more inviting.  It is very heavy and not drawing people in.  Use something better and more appealing than a 15 foot high limestone &quot;beam&quot; to mark the entrance.  Daylight feature maybe?  Suggestion #4: How about designing a building - that is ostensibly dedicated to our state&#039;s history - with design themes, forms, or ideas that have ANYTHING to do with Colorado...is that too much to ask???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight&#8230;after all these comments it appears that the definition of &quot;good&quot; architecture has been reduced to &quot;it&#39;s limestone&quot; and that it is better than &quot;an empty trashed out parking-lot&quot;.  I don&#39;t think anyone who has dissed this design were suggesting it should be some &quot;look at me&quot; design.  All I want is for it to not be bad design.</p>
<p>Suggestion #1: Design in section &#8211; not just plan &#8211; to produce some spatial interest.  Then, try expressing some sense of volume and internal space on the exterior of the building.  This could be a suburban office building.  Suggestion #2:  There are so many new and exciting ways to do curtainwall these days, why not try one?  The overly horizontal stripedness of this design ran out of intellectual steam in the late 1990s.  Suggestion #3: Make the entrance more inviting.  It is very heavy and not drawing people in.  Use something better and more appealing than a 15 foot high limestone &quot;beam&quot; to mark the entrance.  Daylight feature maybe?  Suggestion #4: How about designing a building &#8211; that is ostensibly dedicated to our state&#39;s history &#8211; with design themes, forms, or ideas that have ANYTHING to do with Colorado&#8230;is that too much to ask???</p>
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		<title>By: Dori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historymystery says it all.  Study what he says about the texture. Classic and nice.  I love it when folks see the same &quot;stuff&quot; I see.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good going Tryba.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historymystery says it all.  Study what he says about the texture. Classic and nice.  I love it when folks see the same &quot;stuff&quot; I see.</p>
<p>Good going Tryba.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The architecture or facade materials will mean very little in helping civic center have any life outside of working hours.  The problem is that none of the civic partners want to share their sites with &#039;other&#039; uses, or what we might call the varying teeth of a mixed-use neighborhood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Civic center is now almost beyond hope (in terms of the problems), with almost every surrounding city block being a single parcel, occasionally two parcels, consisting of a single-use building, generally only open from 8am to 5pm.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The buildings are large, uniformly treated and generally not at a pedestrian scale (there is architectural diversity, but that&#039;s not what I&#039;m talking about).  If they were standing alone, like the museum in City Park, then the concept works better.  Instead you get an entire neighborhood of buildings that do not relate well to the pedestrian experience, save the tourist and someone appreciating architecture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the end, if you live in Cap Hill, GT or downtown, you don&#039;t enjoy hanging out in this neighborhood unless you&#039;re going to one of the buildings.  Traveling through provides little relief for the pedestrian, with 5 story monoliths and only a few entrances per building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The architecture or facade materials will mean very little in helping civic center have any life outside of working hours.  The problem is that none of the civic partners want to share their sites with &#39;other&#39; uses, or what we might call the varying teeth of a mixed-use neighborhood.</p>
<p>Civic center is now almost beyond hope (in terms of the problems), with almost every surrounding city block being a single parcel, occasionally two parcels, consisting of a single-use building, generally only open from 8am to 5pm.  </p>
<p>The buildings are large, uniformly treated and generally not at a pedestrian scale (there is architectural diversity, but that&#39;s not what I&#39;m talking about).  If they were standing alone, like the museum in City Park, then the concept works better.  Instead you get an entire neighborhood of buildings that do not relate well to the pedestrian experience, save the tourist and someone appreciating architecture.</p>
<p>In the end, if you live in Cap Hill, GT or downtown, you don&#39;t enjoy hanging out in this neighborhood unless you&#39;re going to one of the buildings.  Traveling through provides little relief for the pedestrian, with 5 story monoliths and only a few entrances per building.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way off topic, but did anyone read the article in the denverpost the other day about changing some streets around town to make things more pedestrian and bicycle friendly? Ken, you wrote about this earlier. Any chance you could get more on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way off topic, but did anyone read the article in the denverpost the other day about changing some streets around town to make things more pedestrian and bicycle friendly? Ken, you wrote about this earlier. Any chance you could get more on it?</p>
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