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		<title>Comment on Downtown Albuquerque by ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2010/03/downtown-albuquerque.html/comment-page-1#comment-5940</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Houston is another of those desolate downtowns at night that brings similar warnings.

I talked with a computer tech (a medium height tough guy in his late 20s or early 30s) working for a law firm in a decaying part of downtown LA whose employer simply would not permit him to walk two blocks down the street (in visible sight of the office) to his hotel at night, and instead required him to get a cab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Houston is another of those desolate downtowns at night that brings similar warnings.</p>
<p>I talked with a computer tech (a medium height tough guy in his late 20s or early 30s) working for a law firm in a decaying part of downtown LA whose employer simply would not permit him to walk two blocks down the street (in visible sight of the office) to his hotel at night, and instead required him to get a cab.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Buyer Found for Historic Hangar 61 in Stapleton by ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2010/03/buyer-found-for-historic-hangar-61-in-stapleton.html/comment-page-1#comment-5939</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very sensible space for a church and indeed for that church in particular (which doesn&#039;t have a lot of deep ties to a liturgical tradition regarding church design as many other denominations would), and Stapleton is a bit short of churches at the moment (and not very enamoured of vacant blight) so the supply/demand factor is there.

Church status will also be good news for the assessor&#039;s office which would otherwise have a hard time in the long run valuing the unique building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very sensible space for a church and indeed for that church in particular (which doesn&#8217;t have a lot of deep ties to a liturgical tradition regarding church design as many other denominations would), and Stapleton is a bit short of churches at the moment (and not very enamoured of vacant blight) so the supply/demand factor is there.</p>
<p>Church status will also be good news for the assessor&#8217;s office which would otherwise have a hard time in the long run valuing the unique building.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 18th Street Pedestrian Bridge by ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2010/03/18th-street-pedestrian-bridge.html/comment-page-1#comment-5938</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also wonder about how much use it will get (and how safe it will feel because it may not be used much) until the area develops more.  

It may never be as busy because it connects less.  Anyone from the other side of the Platte, from the other side of 15th Street, or coming down from the 16th Street mall (which is the natural pedestrian walkway downtown) will be aligned to use the 16th Street bridge system, not the 18th Street bridge.

Who would use it except those bound for the North End of the Commons Park neighborhood or people bound for the skatepark?

I also wonder if less traffic will translate into less political pressure to maintain it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wonder about how much use it will get (and how safe it will feel because it may not be used much) until the area develops more.  </p>
<p>It may never be as busy because it connects less.  Anyone from the other side of the Platte, from the other side of 15th Street, or coming down from the 16th Street mall (which is the natural pedestrian walkway downtown) will be aligned to use the 16th Street bridge system, not the 18th Street bridge.</p>
<p>Who would use it except those bound for the North End of the Commons Park neighborhood or people bound for the skatepark?</p>
<p>I also wonder if less traffic will translate into less political pressure to maintain it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denver Justice Center Public Art by ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2010/03/denver-justice-center-public-art.html/comment-page-1#comment-5937</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few more comments:

1.  The court house design appears as good as the best one in the metro area, which is Jefferson County&#039;s Taj.  It is superior to the Adams and Arapahoe County designs.  The Adams County design has poor sight lines so it is hard for newbies like jurors and witnesses to find their way around.  The Arapahoe County court house wasn&#039;t designed for security and is generally cramped and a bit dismal.  Castle Rock&#039;s low rise court house is also a bit hard to navigate.  Parking will be the only major downside in Denver although the new parking structure eases that.

2.  The jail-court house tunnel connection is a plus absent from Jefferson County and Denver, creating a major public safety risk.  The new Denver system of separate prisoner and public passageways is used successfully in Adams County and Jefferson County.

3.  Terrorism was a central design concern in the new Alfred Araj Federal Courthouse between 19th and 20th Streets.  It appears to be a secondary consideration in this design (or at least isn&#039;t visibly such an obvious part of the design) and that&#039;s notable.

4.  This will make Denver more or less unique in Colorado in having separate court houses for civil and criminal cases.  This could have a significant impact on the impression and sense of safety that litigants and other people involved in court cases (such as children involved in domestic relations, guardianship and juvenile cases), and people doing business with the City, get in the old Denver courthouse.

It will also almost inevitably create (or at least make more visible) a class divide.  Middle class people will overwhelmingly have cases dealt with in the old courthouse or federal courthouse.  Poor people&#039;s cases will overwhelmingly be handled in the new courthouse.  It will be interesting to see how the class divide impacts the feel of the buildings.  Will the new courthouse experience a &quot;public housing&quot; effect? (It does, after all, increase the number of &quot;public housing&quot; residents downtown, and only the poor remain incarcerated in jail while awaiting trial.)

5.  The civil/criminal divide will impact jurors a great deal.  Prospective jurors will overwhelmingly be going to the new courthouse in Denver rather than the old one.  This is because jury trials are overwhelmingly used in criminal cases.  About 98% of county court juries are in criminal or quasi-criminal cases (county court level handles both misdemeanors and small claims).  In 2009, 116 out of 194 in Denver District/Juvenile Court level jury trials (which handles cases with higher stakes) were in criminal cases, which amounts to 75% of jurors at that level because felonies generally have twelve jurors deliberate while civil cases have six jurors deliberate.  There are also more long criminal trials than there are long civil trials.

Jurors summoned to the old court house will predominantly be hearing personal injury and parental rights cases.

6.  For jurors, the new parking garage that goes with the new justice center will be a big deal.  

7.  Judges rotate from criminal to civil dockets (switches are made annually but not every judge changes every year), so there isn&#039;t a permanent status difference being built up between the two sets of judges.  

8.  Prosecutors and public defenders, however, don&#039;t rotate, and for them it will be a major moral booster.  Public defenders and criminal defense attorneys will also have much shorter trips to see their clients and it will be easier for visitors.  They deserve it, since they spend time in court far more regularly than lawyers for civil litigants (other than a handful of county court collection lawyers) and have better pay on average to make up for older courtrooms.  A larger share of what happens in criminal court happens in person in the courthouse than in civil courtroom procedings.

9.  Presumably the civil side of the county court will relocate to the City and County building from rented office space nearby.  It will be interesting to see what fills the gap left when county court moves out.

10.  When will we get more decent restaurants near the courthouse?  There is little time to get food on your lunch break and usually lots of talking for those involved in cases to do during that time as well.  There isn&#039;t time to take a long hike (and possibly disturb your parking arrangements) at lunch time, and the new court house is no better and arguably worse on this score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few more comments:</p>
<p>1.  The court house design appears as good as the best one in the metro area, which is Jefferson County&#8217;s Taj.  It is superior to the Adams and Arapahoe County designs.  The Adams County design has poor sight lines so it is hard for newbies like jurors and witnesses to find their way around.  The Arapahoe County court house wasn&#8217;t designed for security and is generally cramped and a bit dismal.  Castle Rock&#8217;s low rise court house is also a bit hard to navigate.  Parking will be the only major downside in Denver although the new parking structure eases that.</p>
<p>2.  The jail-court house tunnel connection is a plus absent from Jefferson County and Denver, creating a major public safety risk.  The new Denver system of separate prisoner and public passageways is used successfully in Adams County and Jefferson County.</p>
<p>3.  Terrorism was a central design concern in the new Alfred Araj Federal Courthouse between 19th and 20th Streets.  It appears to be a secondary consideration in this design (or at least isn&#8217;t visibly such an obvious part of the design) and that&#8217;s notable.</p>
<p>4.  This will make Denver more or less unique in Colorado in having separate court houses for civil and criminal cases.  This could have a significant impact on the impression and sense of safety that litigants and other people involved in court cases (such as children involved in domestic relations, guardianship and juvenile cases), and people doing business with the City, get in the old Denver courthouse.</p>
<p>It will also almost inevitably create (or at least make more visible) a class divide.  Middle class people will overwhelmingly have cases dealt with in the old courthouse or federal courthouse.  Poor people&#8217;s cases will overwhelmingly be handled in the new courthouse.  It will be interesting to see how the class divide impacts the feel of the buildings.  Will the new courthouse experience a &#8220;public housing&#8221; effect? (It does, after all, increase the number of &#8220;public housing&#8221; residents downtown, and only the poor remain incarcerated in jail while awaiting trial.)</p>
<p>5.  The civil/criminal divide will impact jurors a great deal.  Prospective jurors will overwhelmingly be going to the new courthouse in Denver rather than the old one.  This is because jury trials are overwhelmingly used in criminal cases.  About 98% of county court juries are in criminal or quasi-criminal cases (county court level handles both misdemeanors and small claims).  In 2009, 116 out of 194 in Denver District/Juvenile Court level jury trials (which handles cases with higher stakes) were in criminal cases, which amounts to 75% of jurors at that level because felonies generally have twelve jurors deliberate while civil cases have six jurors deliberate.  There are also more long criminal trials than there are long civil trials.</p>
<p>Jurors summoned to the old court house will predominantly be hearing personal injury and parental rights cases.</p>
<p>6.  For jurors, the new parking garage that goes with the new justice center will be a big deal.  </p>
<p>7.  Judges rotate from criminal to civil dockets (switches are made annually but not every judge changes every year), so there isn&#8217;t a permanent status difference being built up between the two sets of judges.  </p>
<p>8.  Prosecutors and public defenders, however, don&#8217;t rotate, and for them it will be a major moral booster.  Public defenders and criminal defense attorneys will also have much shorter trips to see their clients and it will be easier for visitors.  They deserve it, since they spend time in court far more regularly than lawyers for civil litigants (other than a handful of county court collection lawyers) and have better pay on average to make up for older courtrooms.  A larger share of what happens in criminal court happens in person in the courthouse than in civil courtroom procedings.</p>
<p>9.  Presumably the civil side of the county court will relocate to the City and County building from rented office space nearby.  It will be interesting to see what fills the gap left when county court moves out.</p>
<p>10.  When will we get more decent restaurants near the courthouse?  There is little time to get food on your lunch break and usually lots of talking for those involved in cases to do during that time as well.  There isn&#8217;t time to take a long hike (and possibly disturb your parking arrangements) at lunch time, and the new court house is no better and arguably worse on this score.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denver Justice Center Public Art by ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2010/03/denver-justice-center-public-art.html/comment-page-1#comment-5936</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skeptical of the flower sculpture (reminds me of the Logan transit stop).

A detention center opening in April is sooner than seemed possible, and a July court house opening doesn&#039;t seem that far off.  Once both are open, the court/jail security benefits should be substantial.  I don&#039;t think many people realize how much of a risk and expense the status quo is for all involved.

Does anyone know what plans there are for &quot;the Tower&quot; next to police headquarters now, as a result of the opening of the detention center?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeptical of the flower sculpture (reminds me of the Logan transit stop).</p>
<p>A detention center opening in April is sooner than seemed possible, and a July court house opening doesn&#8217;t seem that far off.  Once both are open, the court/jail security benefits should be substantial.  I don&#8217;t think many people realize how much of a risk and expense the status quo is for all involved.</p>
<p>Does anyone know what plans there are for &#8220;the Tower&#8221; next to police headquarters now, as a result of the opening of the detention center?</p>
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		<title>Comment on 16th Street Mall Concepts by ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://denverinfill.com/blog/2010/02/16th-street-mall-concepts.html/comment-page-1#comment-5935</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are going to expand transit downtown, 15th Street is not the place to start.  We have cultural options on 14th Street to connect.  We have a disproportionate share of office space along 17th and 18th Streets.

What 15th Street needs before it gets better transportation is more places that are worth going to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are going to expand transit downtown, 15th Street is not the place to start.  We have cultural options on 14th Street to connect.  We have a disproportionate share of office space along 17th and 18th Streets.</p>
<p>What 15th Street needs before it gets better transportation is more places that are worth going to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Downtown Albuquerque by Saint Facetious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saint Facetious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABQ&#039;s been known to be a rough city.  As for that downtown... I bet it made you glad you live in Denver!  Though there was one possibly neat element about that plaza, and that was what appears to be the solar array that serves as a shade.  And if that was not a solar array, what a complete waste of opportunity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABQ&#8217;s been known to be a rough city.  As for that downtown&#8230; I bet it made you glad you live in Denver!  Though there was one possibly neat element about that plaza, and that was what appears to be the solar array that serves as a shade.  And if that was not a solar array, what a complete waste of opportunity!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 18th Street Pedestrian Bridge by Saint Facetious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saint Facetious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it.  Though I wonder if one can walk across it at night without being harassed by cops like what happens if trying to cross Commons Park?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it.  Though I wonder if one can walk across it at night without being harassed by cops like what happens if trying to cross Commons Park?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Denver Justice Center Public Art by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful sculpture! And i&#039;m thrilled it&#039;s not a giant-sized toothbrush or chicken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful sculpture! And i&#8217;m thrilled it&#8217;s not a giant-sized toothbrush or chicken.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 18th Street Pedestrian Bridge by Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call it M2 - Millennium Bridge 2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call it M2 &#8211; Millennium Bridge 2</p>
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